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Q.1 - 2009/04/23 08:13 GMT Can Village Development serve as a major Land Management or Rural Development tool for resolving the urban slum problems?

So much attention has been put to city and slum problems. However, there seems to be a conscience (and Estate) of the State which is being drowned in this whole city/slum issues -the rural areas.

The village, being the basic unit of the rural areas could be targeted as a focal point for the resolution of most problems that are being transported from the rural areas (via migration) to the cities. For instance, if adequate livelihood, infrastructural provisions, with better revitalisation of life within the villages are taken, the core disease of the urban areas (blight/slum problems) could be reduced.

What is your say to this?

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Re:Q.1 - 2009/05/06 10:51 GMT I think we need to separate two things here. One is what need to be done about the already existing slums and secondly what needs to be done to prevent further expansion of slums. Regarding the second issue the proposal you put forward could be seen as one of the strategies.It is however true that we need to pay more attention to rural development.How to create vibrant and progressive communities in the rural areas is the question. There is a need for further research into why so many implemented strategies for rural development have not achieved the desired or expected results. Could it be that the approaches rather than the remedies are at fault?. What should be done to unlock that potential that is in those rural communities?. These are some of the many questions that need to be answered.
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Re:Q.1--Three Dimension Solution - 2009/05/07 04:27 GMT Analyses, observations and evaluations of case studies around the globe show that slums are the result of unplanned urban development where income discrimination is prevailing.The problem is mostly of developing nations.
When urban renewal will happen, package policy option for rehabilitation of slum dwellers could be imparted. Labour and income are also importantly need to be considered.
The land factor alone is not enough to mitigate the problem. Minimum three factors must be considered during development intervention such as guaranteed employment, secured income and financial arrangements for the poor for tenable land use by the slum dwellers.

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Re:Q.1--Three Dimension Solution - 2009/05/07 19:05 GMT Debates continue on whether countries should follow redevelopment, rehabilitation or upgrading of slums. Different and valid arguments are advanced in support of these different approaches. Different countries may have to use either of the approaches or a combination of the three approaches.
The issue of organizing slum dwellers into cooperatives or groups has been found to be a good approach since assistance in form of financing, training or allocating rights tenure becomes easier and manageable.
Quite correctly improvement of incomes for the urban poor is key to slum improvements. There is still the question of Government role in evolving policies for increasing affordable housing stock for all levels as a strategy for curtailing spread of slums. This is bearing in mind that construction is in itself an activity that generates employment.
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Re:Q.1 - 2009/05/08 16:20 GMT I believe that the village development shall be the major focus as the Land Management or Rural Development tool for resolving the urban slum problems; becuase slums originate and sustain where village development is ignored.

My experience with many slums in India is that slums in general are really noninhabitable 'no man's land' or neglected government land where the destitutes settle and search for jobs and finally find no way out to move nowhere else. It is a vicious trap where the poor and helpless humans are caught and ruined.

Municipalities and other government agencies usually ignore such settlements in the early periods of its formation. Gradually local politicians find the 'streetside poor' also as vote banks and support them. Thus the slums acquire a permanent status in a city.

Life in a slum is terrible so that nobody would have remained there if they had better opportunities of survival and sustenance.

Therefore, it is village development that is to be focussed first to have a permanent and hollistic programme of eradication of slums in urban systems.

Moreover, 'labourer friendly labour policies' shall be implemented so that the people who settle in non-inhabitable lands gradually earn something to escape themselves from the vicious cycle of slum life.

If the global society do not interfere, such marginalized humans will have to suffer infinitely in such hells, which is a real shame to all humanity.
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Village by village approach - 2009/05/09 18:35 GMT declaring a village by village approach (village development) as an instrument for tackling the urban slum problem could be very useful.

The origin of the urban slum problem is the VILLAGE, so, what is wrong in tackling the problem by the HEAD?

The importance of land in all this? the tenurial issues, the cultural issues, issues of social identity, the land access issues, the gender problem, the livelihood problem, citizenship participation, land education etc. Tackle all these at the village level and our endangered human species at the ghetoes will start running back home.

This is not to say that slum issues should be abandoned! No! It simply calls for a combined BOTTOM-UP (working with more emphasis on villages) and TOP-DOWN(working with less emphasis on city/slum) approach to it.
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Re:Village by village approach - 2009/05/10 15:54 GMT This discussion seems to indicate that the rural-urban poverty linkages are important and that there is a need for carefully taking into account the heterogeneity of “slums” and ways in and out of them, as well as how it is best to improve upon them
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Re:Village by village approach - 2009/05/12 15:50 GMT There is a tendency to focus on the visible and to intervene, as if the physical village were the proper target for improvement, rather than the conditions of the people themselves and the economic dynamics under which they operate.

People are not poor because their villages are in shambles. Rather, their villages are in shambles because they are poor. They are poor because they pay landlords for access to land that the landlords did not create - land that was created by God or Nature (whichever you prefer), and is made valuable by the very people who are paying to be there. Land value tax would divert the outflow of rent that now goes to the landlords, and make it available to the residents, either in the form of government services or as direct, per capita payments.

They are also poor because of debts. Because so few poor people are creditworthy, most of the debts are owed by the governments, which tax the people to pay the lenders. They borrow because they have been prevented from creating debt-free money through deficit spending.

Until these fundamental economic issues are resolved, there are no measures that can provide more than temporary relief.
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Re:Village by village approach - 2009/05/13 10:43 GMT Dan Sullivan wrote:

"There is a tendency to focus on the visible and to intervene, as if the physical village were the proper target for improvement, rather than the conditions of the people themselves and the economic dynamics under which they operate...

People are not poor because their villages are in shambles. Rather, their villages are in shambles because they are poor...Until these fundamental economic issues are resolved, there are no measures that can provide more than temporary relief."
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The issue of rural economics is well embedded in village development. Village development is not just about physical development, rather it delves into the rubrics of cultural preservation (including landscape, traditions etc), social enlightenedment, participation in of citizens in rural affairs and land development.

The villages are not necessarily in shambles because the people are poor. No! Not really...

Think about it from an African perspective (and that is the perspective of my view point). Infrastructural development (as is demanded today) was necessitated by colonial quests to gain access, then economic activities and on and on. The cities gained attention and scouped up the available resources for infrastructural development, because they were industrial and commercial sites (etc). So villages were never a priority in the first place. They were only priorites for agricultural production and natural resources exploitation (and these contributed to their degradation).

What my concept of village development is calling for is that rural villages should be developed, not in the same way as cities, but with the same value (implying that economic development, land access, taxation, infrastructural development etc, should be balanced in the rural development process)

Sky-scrapers are not needed in my ideal villages, but adequate housing that does not distort rural living should be encouraged so they can maintain their rural identities and still contribute beyond the scope of agricultural production...

I am working on this concept on Nigeria at the moment and will be released when available.

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Re:Village by village approach - 2009/05/15 08:00 GMT Establishment of administrative organs at village level that can be transparent and accountable and that can work to organize and mobilize collective action seems to me crucial for a successful local participation. How feasible it is depends on local power structures.
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